Why fake an Honest Pint? Easy! Get people in the door to get their monies worth. I don’t doubt they are serving an honest pint, I’m just questioning the rating system.

Hell, if I can read a bottle that says DARK WIT…. anything goes.

As time permits, I will perform a line by line comparison of the two BJCP categories.

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btw, as the result of career choices, I found myself working at a US Armed Forces communication base in North Yorkshire, England, from the mid-1977 into 1981. I found new and different beers at every turn.

Ind Coope Double Diamond Burton Ale became a regular purchase. Brewed from 1876 to 2003, Google search confirms it was one of the original India Pale Ales.

With the popularity of the IPA right now brewers are more concerned with what label pulls more customers in then wether or not their beer fits within that label. Imperials and doubles are popular right now so it’s what brewers slap on for anything not in the top range of the triple category or in the lower range of the IPA category.

to restate
Q1. Does an India Pale Ale differ from a Imperial Pale Ale?
If so, how?

I notice breweries releasing Imperial Pale Ale and I do not know what the subtle difference is between
- India Pale Ale
and
- Imperial Pale Ale

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from the BJCP category 14C. Imperial IPA;
I gather that when
- the IBU exceeds 59.9 [60 and above]
or
- the ABV exceeds 7.49% [7.5% and above]
the India Pale Ale becomes an Imperial India Pale Ale;
aka, 2X IPA [for brevity] or Double India Pale Ale [English is a rich language].

Of course, many of the more popular 2X IPAs exceed the threshold in both IBU and ABV.

So, if I see a ‘Pale Ale’ with high IBU and ABV I would assume it is an Imperial [or Double or 2X] India Pale Ale; but, some brewery call their particular beer
- Imperial Pale Ale
with no reference to the south west Asian country.

1) Had the new pints today….. It only took two pints + a scotch and a ouzo to do me in tonight. I used to ne able to sample 3 beers and have a whiskey on the rocks in the same period of time.

2) theoretically an IPA should be higher in both ABV and IBU’s then a Pale ale.

3) you’re right that the whole origin of IPA’s thing is more myth then fact. I’ll explain in a post soon.

Further, Note01: Venti’s ‘True Pint’ Volume Line
http://blog.ventiscafe.com/?p=1042
reports: The point finger of the cartoon rooster was meant to mark the 16 ounce volume measure; but, to account for production variations, Venti’s servers are instructed to fill the glass to the top of the pointing finger.

Venti’s means to deliver an honest pint.

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You and Jared are both very knowledgeable about beer. Further, my educations.

Q1. Does an Imperial Pale Ale differ from a Double or Imperial Pale Ale? If so, how.
Lompoc calls its a). C-Note and b.) C-Son’s Greetings Imperial Pale Ale.
Q2. What is an India Red Ale? Eg, Double Mountain’s India Red Ale.

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I suppose the source of my confusion is the myth that the orginal India Pale Ale was an English Pale Ale hopped up and alcohol high to increase to better preserve the beer for a long voyage. [I has seen an alt. theory is was to minimize export tax. Regardless, when is a hopped up/alcohol high Pale Ale not an IPA?

Thankis.

To apply and qualify for a Honest Pint Sticker shouldn’t there be an official measurement by an authorized ‘Honest Pint” regulator? If not, anyone can fill a measuring cup and put a dirty pint glass next to it and call it an honest pint glass.

If you can buy into that, I have some desert Lakefront property to sell ya.

Thanks Jared